Can't wait 'til these bozos watch Midnight Express.

When they do, they're sure to come up with some really spiffy ideas for a new approach to drug crime penalties.

Well, Bushcheney's foreign policy is based on fantasy, anyway, so why not?

"Thank God. It's these types of things, the stuff that we usually never hear about...that actually makes me feel more secure."

 I'm sure that since we haven't been invaded by aliens under GWB's administration we should thank him for that too. 

And he's kept the lid on the zombie problem too, so thanks George. 

Our foreign policy shouldn't be conducted so that a bunch of rightwing bedwetters feel more secure. 

They say that we'e only as strong as the weakest among us. With weak people like Beck, O'Reilly and Ingrahm ranting every day about their fears I'd say we are at the weakest point in America's history.

Worrier,

"And he's kept the lid on the zombie problem too, so thanks George."

I think you meant to say he COULD keep the lid on the zombie problem, if not for the liberals.  The liberals, with their culture of death, their pro-abortion stance and their support of Jack Kevorkian are allowing the ranks of the undead to swell.  The liberals, with their mouth-watering giant brains just beg for the zombies to come out of their graves for some fine dining, giving them aid and comfort.  Laura Ingraham has the right idea.  People loved "Dawn of the Dead", and that's about as close to a national referendum to start blasting zombies as you can get.  We need to give Bush's alternative methods of ridding the world of zombies, such as his full-lobotomy plan, a chance to work.

I'm in agreement, but I  need some clarification. Are we talking 1978 "Dawn of the Dead" where the zombies moved slowly, or are we talking 2004 "Dawn of the Dead" where the zombies moved fast.

Our tactics fighting them will have to be different depending upon whether we're dealing with fast or slow zombies. 

Real zombies move slowly, as seen in the zombie films of George A. Romero.  His films were made in wholesome conservative Pittsburgh, whereas the 2004 remake of his Dawn of the Dead, as well as 28 Days (another fast zombie movie) was probably made in Hollywood.  Fast zombies are a lie of the far-left S-P's.

Slight correction:"28 days" is the Sandra Bullock film about detox.  "28 days later" is the Danny Boyle-directed zombie flick (I happen to be a fan of "Trainspotting" and especially "Shallow Grave").

Good catch, Brab.

"Slight correction:"28 days" is the Sandra Bullock film about detox.  "28 days later" is the Danny Boyle-directed zombie flick"

Barb, how do you know Sandra is not a zombie? She is a little left wing, so it is possible that she is a zombie. Another left wing plot nipped in the bud!

Well, I suppose our strategy depends on which movie was more loved.

Rusty & Neon

We need to capture one or two of them and try to domesticate them as they tried to do to "Bub" in George Romero's 1985, "Day of the Dead".

They almost succeeded. 

King, they've taught some of the zombies basic computer skills. I verified this by visiting FreeRepublic the other night.

Fortunately, most of them seem to be prevented from enacting their world domination and brain-feeding by the impending visits of grandchildren and/or inability to get a driver's license.

The situation is serious, but...

Even if assuming there is some truth in all of the dire warnings being thrown around by conservatives I want someone other than George W. Bush and his neocon brain trust figuring out what to do. They have not only been dishonest but they have been irrationally driven ideologically; and they have operated on the basis of questionable theories. It was the neocon theory that Iraq would fall without insurgency. It was Rumsfeld's theory that the military could accomplish the job with a greatly reduced force. I could go on. Iraq was the ultimate neocon test tube. The undelying crisis amid the entire global terrorist threat is the lack of confidence that Americans and the world have in George W. Bush. That is the REAL problem in attempting to solve all of this.

After having watched "Mother of all fears", you know, where austrian neonazi stole israel made A-Bomb and leveld Philadelphiacreat WW3 between Russia and the US, i only have to say one thing to GW : bomb Austria ! Bomb Israel !

More seriously, they should not jump on the 24 bandwagon : the show always has a lot of plot twists and one must not trust the appareances. Remember the fourth season i believe where the terrorists were maniplated by the military-industrial complex and even the fifth where the president himself staged the gas attack to make is case on new anti-terrorist agreements with Russia ? In  a few weeks 24 may demonstrate how dangerous it is to trust the appareances, and then thos wingnuts will denounces it as a traitor.

 Several weeks ago there was some concern expressed that 24 was pushing Bush's scare tactic agenda [I read this at The Huffington Report & News Hounds websites]...and Right-Wingers were denying it & laughing at the charges. NOW the Right-Wingers are openly doing just that.

I watched a few episodes of this program in its first season. It didn't hold my interest.

Real life UNDER Bush is much more dramatic & infinitely scarier.

Didn't someone call "24" Conservative terror-porn?

I thought it was funny a while back when there was torture debate going on about Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and our overall torture policy.  Rightwingers were actually citing 24 as a source to defend their views.  They didn't like it very much when I condescendingly reminded them that they were basing their ideas on fiction.

Might also keep in mind how many innocent people on 24 have been tortured.. it's quite a long list.   My favourite being that CTU chick they zapped in the neck with the stun-gun.. that one had me laughing.

Methinks "blood-and-thunder" would be a more accurate description of what 24 is all about.

That, and the possibility for where same may be discreetly subsidised by His Fraudulency's Great Within (and the fact of which is not disclosed clearly to viewers).

Has anybody considered such possibilities?

Yes, and why don't we solve our energy problems by following Jed Clampett's example? At least we'd have Ellie Mae to look at!

And Bush could just watch Bullwinkle and Rocky to see how to pull a rabbit out of his ass...er...HAT.

Again? That trick NEVER workds.

Uh...WORKS.

Typical weak-minded magical thinking.  These clowns wish for an all-conquering superhero who will smite all their enemies and keep them cozy in their beds, because they just can't face the world as it is.

Hmm.  That could explain their approach to religion as well.

I agree.  The problem with these fictional heroes is often referred to the John Wayne fallacy.  Good defeats evil, and the triumphant slowly rides off into the sunset.  Yet nobody ever shows dead bodies being cleaned off of the street, or children being treated in hospitals for stray bullet wounds.

Mwolfson, you picked a good example in the Duke.

John Wayne spent his last years down the coast from me in Newport Beach, and I crossed paths with him a couple of times as a kid.Once when I was about 14, working as a busboy in a waterfront restaurant, Wayne was at the bar. The other time as I was leaving the Balboa theater down on the peninsula where he lived.

At the risk of getting jumped on for insulting an icon, I have a very strong impression of john Wayne based on those two encounters; He was , in real life, an angry, arrogant, drunken bully.A royal A-hole, and people love him because of his corny movies.

There is a big statue of the bastard at my local airport, which is named after him, although I refuse to call it John Wayne Airport. Even when booking a flight, and being asked "from John Wayne?", I confirm "Yeah, from Orange County".

Why, Rusty?

Why do you make the Baby Jesus cry?

It's a strategery in my war on His birthday.

Have these guys watched 24 lately?  All last season was about a manipulative President who played dumb but was really selling out the country to a conspiracy of corporate interests.  This year, one of the main villains is a Dick Cheney clone who's trying to get his extreme right-wing agenda past the President by silencing critics (including one beloved character from last season) who say he's trampling on constituional rights.  Even the show's use of torture has been turned on its head this season, as Jack is a wreck after being torured two years himself and (if you're paying particular attention) one of the main terrorists is motivated because of Jack's torturing of the guy's brother in the past, which raises the interesting question of is our hero partially to blame for the anger that led to the attacks? 24 is mostly just a thriller that sometimes requires a near ridiculous level of suspension of disbelief.  But if you watch the actual show, its politics are hardly just some right-winger's wet dream, particularly lately, when they're making a lot of specific points about the abuse of power, the risks of profiling, and the need to be careful about constituional rights.

Disbelief, as in getting across LA in 15 minutes during rush hour.

Well, remember that most people don't pay enough attention to notice these things. They see only the surface and therefore: Exactly what the rightwingers want.

You are exactly right. Olbermann and MMFA are looking like morons attacking a show that shows multiple viewpoints about the terrorist problem.

If you watch the show at all, which MMFA obviously does not, anyone would know this. Most of the rightwingers pick out only the parts they agree with. MMFA ignores the parts they agree with because all they care about is trying to smear Fox. The smear is dopey because they are smearing alot of their own viewpoints. 

 

Actually, LH, not once does MMFA criticize 24 in this topic.  They are criticizing it's use, by various media figures, to support the neocon agenda.  Thank you for pointing out one-sided and incorrect view these media conservative's have of 24.

Bobby Joe that's too much nuance for conservatives. When they watch 24 they say:

"Ug- Look bad Arabs"

"Ug- Arabs set off nuclear bomb"

"Ug- Big Boom"

"Ug- that city looks like LA. Means it could happen here."

"Ug- we need bad azz like Jack Bauer to protect us"

And this is the same party whose members thought "Murphy Brown" was real, too...

Where was MMFA when West Wing had a terrorist

bomb kill members of the President's staff?

Oh yeah, because a bleeding heart liberal was in charge. 

 

Did the media use "The West Wing" to justify administration policy like the conservative media is doing with "24" today?

But then this isn't the first time that the right has used TV to justify something. After all didn't they use "The Flintstones" to refute evolution to prove their point that men and dinosaurs lived together?

 

Why don't you watch 24 instead of cartoons and maybe you

would learn something.

I watch both. I pray that our national security apparatus is less cartoonish than CTU. I understand that it's a TV show, with no basis in reality.

How about we not watch 24, as it does not teach us anything.  If you want to learn something watch actual news other than the crap on fox, or watch something satirical.  The goal of shows like 24 is to entertain (people who usually have lower levels of intelligence)

What I have learned from watching "24":1.       Kiefer Sutherland is not to be effed with.2.       Torture almost always saves the day.3.       Torturing people who did nothing wrong happens a lot.4.       Nuclear bombs are bad.5.       Don't trust the President.6.       Government installations never do background checks and have really lax security.7.       Computers are watching me in my sleep.8.       Skinny women are not to be trusted.9.       Terrorists are bad.10.    Terrorists can be anyone.

11.    And finally: IT'S JUST A SHOW, AND SHOULD NOT BE THE BASIS FOR GOVERNMENT POLICY.

I also learned never to copy a numbered list to this site, or it'll look like SEE ABOVE. Ugh...

Leatherhead, that's great advice! Oh yes, we should all watch "24" so that we can learn something. I for one have gathered enormous knowledge from fictional T.V series'. "Flipper" taught me everything i need to know about marine biology; A few episodes of "Fraggle Rock" left me very well versed in mining and engineering and one season of MASH was enough for me to be accepted at Johns Hopkins. You should grab yourself season one of Ally McBeal - before you know it, you'll be on the Supreme Court.

Stunning ignorance!

"Things we've never heard about"... and neither has it been proven that they were going to happen. I didn't know Bush admitted that there are secret prisons. I say we all e-mail the EU leaders and tell them to put pressure on the countries where those prisons are located. I DEMAND SANCTIONS AGAINST THOSE WHO HARBOR TORTURE.

In fact, It's folks like him, who make me NOT be able to sleep at night.

No beck it is your large paycheck from CNN that makes it easy for you to sleep at night.  

Wait.. let me get this right.. a fictional television program has sound reasoning about terrorism and how it relates to America and Iraq, but scientists have no idea about evolution or global warming?

Scientists have no idea how the earth got here or how man go here and I am still waiting for all those scientists who claimed an ice age was coming in 1975 to come out and apologize.

Leatherhelmet,

We're deeply sorry that there wasn't an ice age in 1975.

Respectfully, all the scientists.

Uhm, science knows exactly how the earth got here. It was created from a huge cloud of dust left over from a supernova and the effects of gravity, same things that created the Sun and all the rest of the planets. And man got here by evolving from a tree-dwelling primate during a partial deforestation of Africa a few million years ago. This science does know. How come you don't know this?

So I guess that you're part of the 9% of Americans who don't believe in God. Thanks for presenting the minority view point.

Dirin im eldar a dirant Eru..."I have gazed between the stars and saw God." The real God. The universe. The God of galaxies and black holes, of photons and atomic nuclei. The God that science reveals in all it's incredible splendour and complexity.

If you mean I don't worship some mythological Hebrew war god and all the fantasies, intolerance and bigotry that accompanies that cult, then you are right.

As a matter of fact, many scientists ARE religious people, and believe this process of the big bang, evolution, etc. are parts of the workings of the Almighty.  You do not have to be an atheist or an anti-theist to believe in evolution.

Do not allow your hatred for things you obviously don't understand demonstrate you to be a fool, Rino.

Scientists have an excellent idea of how man got here: evolution from lower primates.  Did they not teach that at your madrassa, Leather?

I found that alot of issues where brought up in this clip, which is why it did not seem very clear.  Firstly, as we all know, 24 is a lame tv show that does not educate anyone or accurately portray social movements and phenomena. So, lets not give this more attention than it deserves.  Thanks, Fox for covering 24 instead of something significant in the world.  You call yourselves a news program.  Secondly, ought the American nation protect itselves from nulear threats using the CIA.  Of course it should.  Yet this does not mean that everyone must be kept in the dark about it.  Most people do not know about such threats.  I certainly don't.  This is why people tune into 24, and get moved and scared by sensational entertainment.  It's this kind of stuff that turns the U.S. into a scared gorilla with a gun.  Lastly, on a minor note, I don't want guys like...whatever the main characters name is out in the real world if he's going to circumvent the rule of law and set up secret torture camps.  People, we must not only protect our safety, but our moral principles and way of life.  This is what makes life worth while.  

No shock and awe here.

When one is running a war waged on fictitious grounds, a fictional program provides a rich source of justification.

I wonder how many times Bush has requested Jack Bauer be put on the case and Cheney had to don a jacket with the CTU emblem and play dress up.

It is the Dan Quayle syndrome:  they seemingly cannot diestinguish between a television and real life.  Hey Beck, Jack is not a real person  and things are alot easier to protray on TV then real life.  But, how about this:  You volunteer for national service in a secret agency and give it a try.  You look about the same age as Jack.

A lot of die-hard conservatives (while I'm conservative on a lot of issues, I'm not die hard) are living in a fantasy world where they believe the majority of the country thinks as they do. The only reason, in their mind, the last election was lost was because of the spendthrift ways of the last few Congresses. Being locked into that fantasy world, its easy (at least for me) to see why they rely on fantasy (i.e., 24) to try to advance their agenda.

I don't get why these people think that torture will work.  If you torture someone, they will just tell you what they think you want to hear so that you will stop torturing them.  This quality of information may be appropriate for the secret police of the Soviet Union, but not for an ostensibly free democracy.

They're just sadists. They don't want to torture for security purposes, they want to torture because they enjoy inflicting pain. All torture regimes are the same. It's meant to create fear, to satisfy hatreds and prejudices, to be sadistic and cruel. It's never meant to gather intelligence, but to spread terror and feed the evil lusts of the torturers. Is it any wonder that the tortures at Abu Ghraib were distinctly sexual in tone? It's just like the serial killer who tortures and rapes his victims before killing them. It's the exact same mental illness at work.

The CIA operated torture chambers in the 1950's, in Operation Artichoke. It operated torture chambers during Vietnam. It operated torture chambers in Central America during the 1980's. And now in the 00's, it operates torture chambers all over the world. I for one am not very thrilled at being taxed to maintain torturers on the government payroll. I don't see these people as defending me at all. I nfact, they seem far more of a threat.

How bout this, Maybe this is Art imitating life. The Threat of a Nuke being set off in Us cities is something that is a real threat. No one with a brain (not even 24) is saying that all muslims are bad, Hell the show this season even has Muslims Helping the CIS.

Their are a large groups of muslims that are basing what the feel their religon is telling them on Sharia law. Yes it's only something like 10% of Muslims, but it's still 10,000 people out of the one million. all it takes is a hand full of Nutsjobs to get a nuke into the USA. so i think it is something to worry about.

Whether Glenn Beck likes it or not, ‘24’ “abets those to whom the rule of law is an unwelcome hindrance, and helps create the kind of climate in which human rights abuses thrive says rights advocate Andrew Hogg.

 The London based Medical Foundation for the Care of Victims of Torture reminds cheerleaders like Beck that  the readiness of some to torture has always been with us, along with the readiness of some to denigrate others because of their different skin colour, or cultural beliefs. "Both are aspects of the human condition that instead of indulging, civilised societies fight hard to resist. Giving up that struggle in pursuit of ratings is nothing short of a betrayal of the generations to come. " 

 

This is insane. Americans love Oscar the Grouch too but that doesn't mean they want to live in a garbage can.