Hal Emmerich was originally cast as the main character in 24, but was replaced by the producers when he managed to kill every terrorist and save the day in 12 minutes and 37 seconds.

In the wardrobe of my soul.

In the section labelled shirts.

This is bizarre. Kaine said, ""People who want to take this within 24 hours of the event and make it, you know, their political hobby horse to ride, I've got nothing but loathing for them."

So since Moran made the event a political hooby horse to ride 25 hours after is occurred, Angle "falsely suggested Kaine condemned Moran's comments on gun control"?

Get a grip MMFA. You're seeing bias where none exists.

Out of context, laddie.  Responsible reporting would have shown that the Governor's response was to a reporter's question about pro-gun activists crowing that the event wouldn't have happened if students were armed.  Making it seem he was responding to gun control advocates changes the story 180 degrees.

Well said.  Further, it appears Moran made his comments a day after Kaine spoke, not an hour as Kevin implies (April 16=tragedy; Ap 17=Kaine comments; Ap 18=Moran comments).

I think you're wrong about that. Clearly, the gun-control nuts were making the most noise on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. Nothing I have seen indicates that Kaine was responding to a question regarding Scond Amendment advocates. If you have an independent source, please share it.

Nothing easier.  This is from the post above. 

From the April 17 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

QUESTION: Mr. Kaine, some gun lobbyists -- or pro-gun lobbyists have said that if students were allowed to carry arms, somehow [inaudible] it wouldn't have been as bad as it was.

KAINE: Look, I think that, you know, people who want to take this within 24 hours of the event and make it, you know, their political hobby horse to ride, I've got nothing but loathing for them. This is not a political hobbyhorse or a crusade or something for a campaign or for a fundraising mailing.

If you read the actually transcript on MSNBC's web site (and not just MMFA's selection), it's clear that Kaine had loathing for ALL who were using the incident as a political hobby horse, including gun-control extremists.

If you see anything in Kaine's statement that indicates he believed it is all right for Moran and other gun-control extremists to play politics so soon, please  point it out to us.

In the first place, IF your interpretation is correct, then you agree that MMFA is right that media misled about Kaine's statement, which implied that he was directing it ONLY at (a) Moran and (b) people who favor greater gun control only.

In the second place, it was misleading because Kaine could not possibly have been directing it at Moran because Moran had not made his comments at the time Kaine was speaking.

In the third place, it was misleading because Kaine specifically referred to 24 hours after the tragedy, which would have been Tuesday morning.  Perhaps Kaine himself would have felt that by the next day, when Moran spoke, several of the things Kaine thought should have happened first had by then occurred.

Finally, there is nothing wrong with disagreement among people about what should be discussed and when they should be discussed.  Reasonable people can have different views. 

I hope why MMFA (and some of the rest of us) object to the original piece is clear enough for you.

funy how folks like Kevin always seem to paint themselves into logical corners, then vanish mysteriously...

I didn't vanish. I'm right here. It's clear from Kaine's statement that he was speaking of those who were trying to score political points IN GENERAL. Moran would certainly be classified as someone who was trying to make a political point in the wake of the shootings. It didn't matter if he did so before or after Kaine made his statement. If was still too soon to go to the floor of the House in an attempt to score political points.

Well, that may be your opinion, but that is irrelevant to the point that MMFA made, which had to do with misrepresenting what KAINE's opinion was and to whom he addressed those comments.

Just FYI, here is what Moran sent to his constituents today:

Dear Friend,

Tragedy struck Virginia Tech this week. Senseless violence the magnitude of which had never before been seen on U.S. soil erupted on the rural Blacksburg campus Monday morning. 

Our thoughts and prayers continue to be with the victims, their families and the entire university community. Shaken to its core, Virginia Tech has responded with the strength and grace of the great institution it is. President Dr. Charles Steger’s guidance has been a steadying hand through troubled waters.  I commend his leadership in this time of crisis.

Hindsight being 20/20, we may learn of things that should have been done differently.  At the request of the university, Governor Tim Kaine has initiated an independent review of the school’s handling of the situation. This is an appropriate response. If mistakes are identified, they will enable Virginia Tech and other universities across the country to take steps to ensure they are never repeated.

Today, as declared by Governor Kaine, the Commonwealth of Virginia is in a state of mourning. We remember the victims, some of the best and brightest hopes for our nation’s future, who were struck down tragically and without reason on that cold April morning. *Below is the most up-to-date list provided by Virginia Tech officials at this time.

"Senseless violence the magnitude of which had never before been seen on U.S. soil erupted on the rural Blacksburg campus Monday morning."

Just more evidence that Moran is off his rocker. How can anyone with any sense say tht after 9/11, when 100 times as many people were murdered.

"Gun Control Nuts" & "2nd Amendment Advocates".

Funny which group seems to have the most fruitcakes, but nice spin anyway.

I believe these are advocates.

 Yep, Old Faux Noise and their propaganda dept. will make sure that the Merry Go Round horses have plenty of "liberal" gun control nut jobs in the saddle.   Whether they are pro gun control or not I'm sure Faux Noise will be able to make it look like they are.  Current case being the first in many more stories about what coulda, shoulda, wouda happened if only……. 

Knee Jerks.

All this chatter about gun control and violence. I think there is a simple solution. Let's be mindful of the fact that one of the inspirational sources of these violent acts is violent media (movies, video games, etc.) as evidenced by the recent reports on the VT massacre and the Columbine murders and many others, so why not levy a tax on the media delivery system that shows violence? The tax proceeds would be saved in a "Victim Anguish Fund" that goes to the innocent victims and others who loose as a result of some horrific crime. We leave the Freedom of Speech aspect alone, but instead connect dots to the fact that violence in the media breeds violent behavior in society. We need to hold the creators and deliverers of violent media accountable, and charge viewers for the privilege to see make-believe violence.

Brilliant Reese. So your magical solution is to do nothing other than develop another government entitlement program. There won't be any less victims, but at least they'll have the comfort of knowing that when they're shot in the head their families will get a check. How fitting that right now I'm watching a TV show called "World of Stupid". I fully expect Reese to be a guest on the show any day now.

 How fitting that right now I'm watching a TV show called "World of Stupid".  j4sonl33

I won't argue with that.Was Masterpiece Theater pre-empted?

It's a show about liberals. I'm just trying to understand the psyche.

Sounds about right - A conservative trying to learn something about real life by watching Fox reality programming on TV.

Suggestion: Go back to the "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" reruns from which you've already learned so much about how real life works.

I'm sure J4SONL is still having trouble trying to understand how to tie his shoes.....

:-)

Oh, yeah, you're right. I have to buy those shoes with the Velcro straps all the time. Keep it coming, your true colors are starting to show now. Please tell me how I live in a trailer with dead cars in the yard, I have no front teeth, I keep a rebel flag as my curtains, and have sex with my relatives.

Yeah, come on YZ.  That was uncalled for.

He don't wear no shoes...

what video games did Ghengis Khan play as a kid? How about the movies Stalin grew up on? Sorry, once again it is not a 'fact' you cite, just assumptions. Your 'solution' is not simple, it is simplistic and silly.

JASON:

As a Liberal who owns guns, and does not approve blanket BANS on guns, I'm interested to know who these drooling "bedwetting" Liberals ARE who are advocating total bans on guns.

You write as though EVERY Liberal will fall prey to your cutting questioning, but I'm not familiar with many Liberal office-holders or just plain citizens who would give you the argument you seek (to have the "fun" of flummoxing them with your logic).

So, how about a short list of those who you have left "drooling"?

I know there was controversy over the Brady Bill, but Brady is a (drooling, bedwetting) REPUBLICAN, isn't he? And sad to apply such insensitive descriptions to a man incapacitated by a bullet to the head. Say it ain't so. 

As a resident of Virginia, I really liked John Warner and I'm definitely warming up to Kaine after this tragedy. He did exactly what he should've done as the Chief of the Commonwealth: Got to the scene as quickly as he could, declared the use of funds as available as he could make them, and let the experts do their job, while also doing his best to defray criticism and politics until the appropriate time. Simple equation for a solution that Bush could've used as an example when Katrina came around.

I hope both of these guys, Warner and Kaine, pursue higher office in the future, unless we somehow change the dumbest law on our books: only 1 4-year term for the governor.

Aiii, correction, Gov. MARK Warner.

Its too bad that Fox News manipulated Gov Kaine's comments about the Virginia Tech killings to support their political agenda. The despicable way that Fox framed the news clips to promote their view on guns is exactly the kind of thing Gov Kaine referred to in his comments. Fox News did a disservice to the victims families, Virginia Tech and the nation by using this tragedy as propaganda against gun control. Great job MMFA.