Well done MMFA.

Yet another prime example of why FOX can never be taken seriously. Calling any member of the military a "phony" because they are against this illegal war is not taking anything out of context. Shame on FOX, and shame on Rush.

Shame on FOX, and shame on Rush.

Doris , I think we have all come to expect FOX to support Rush and any other member of the Cheerleading War Team. Sickening is it not?

limbaugh is challenging reid to come on his program and to debate the matter?  take that challenge now, no delay, hold him to it.

Yeah, Linbaugh would love for a senator to appear on his show and give him even more legitimacy in the eyes of the ditto heads.

Hey Rush, several vets have challenged you to repeat the "phony soldier" charge to their face.

How about starting with that first.

how about both?   reid would take limbaugh apart in front of his dittoheads. 

Nah, I say don't go on, let him waffle some more. He was crying like a baby on friday with his "boo hoo hoo! not one network called me and asked me if I said it! boo hoo hoo!" and today on MSNBC they just reported that they have an open offer to Limbaugh to come on and explain himself but he has so far refused. What a crybaby!

i don't agree with the "don't go on fox" theory.  say no to the debates hosted by fox,  but go on the shows otherwise.   if reid refuses, then rush will say he's afraid.   and reid has nothing to be afraid of.   if it's a real offer reid should do it.

i wasn't saying rush was on fox, but some make that same argument about them. 

i don't agree with the "don't go on fox" theory.  say no to the debates hosted by fox,  but go on the shows otherwise

Nice, besides your rambling one sentence statements you seem to be in favor of giving legitmacy to the American version of the WWII German propaganda machine. Yeah everyone should go on FOX and help then with advertisers. Just wonderful. 

don't you have some trolling to do?  according to you,  we shouldn't even be discussing what limbaugh said.   if you say that you refuse to go on fox,  then they [or limbaugh] can say you're afraid, so you don't give them that weapon to use against you.  but, hillary went on and handled chris wallace very nicely.  as have biden and numerous other democrats.  were they helping the propaganda machine by doing that?  yes or no?

were they helping the propaganda machine by doing that?  yes or no?

 No because they give FOX a legitimate footprint that it no longer deserves in the main stream media. After Wallace treated President Clinton last year, he should be boycotted.

Take your troll words and your FOX support and go somewhere else if you do not like your comments to be discussed.  If you are going to make statements like that then face the consequences . You are not untouchable, I know you like to smear and take things of out context but I wanted you on the record that you think FOX is legitimate. Nice. Thanks

i still can't figure out how i'm smearing you.  as everyone can see here, you started in on me.   and i never said that my comments can't be discussed.   you are the one that said on another thread we should not be discussing limbaugh's comments.  are you denying that?  and whether fox is "legitimate" or not is not the question.   it's how to deal with them that is the question.  you really need to stop these wild statements. 

you are the one that said on another thread we should not be discussing limbaugh's comments.  are you denying that?

That was allready discussed on the other thread, leave it to a FOX apologist like you to try and change the subject. You were the one who brought up FOX , do you want to change your mind and agree FOX should never be considered legitimate and should be boycotted?

no, i'm not going to change my mind.  i've said numerous times that i don't believe in boycotting fox.  the debates yes, the other times no.  if that makes me a "fox apologist",  then so is most of the democratic party, including the clintons.  

Hmmm, interesting.

hmm. hillary clinton. joe biden...fox apologists?

I do not understand your point? Hillary Clinton is in favor of the death penalty, I think it is wrong does that make her a pro death penatly apologist? You seem to only see things in black and white .

didn't understand the question?   i thought it was obvious.  if i am a "fox apologist" for saying democrats should not boycott fox, then hillary and other democrats are the same thing then.  very logical, no?

No you are a FOX apologist because you support them.  I have never heard Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden call them legitimate. 

i do not support them or call them legitimate.  more of your wild accusations.  i have called them an arm of the republican party many a time.  the question is how do you best deal with them.  you came right out of the box in your first post to me saying i was supporting the american version of the german propaganda machine.    i asked you whether that meant hillary and other democrats do the same.   for someone, who is always talking about the "word games" others supposedly play, you are a champ at them.

and I gave you your answer, sadly you are again looking at ways to smear and take things out of context. Keep supporting FOX, you are very well qualified to work there with your smear tactics. Have you ever worked for Hannity?

before you even made any reply to me, i made the statement:   "say no to the debates hosted by fox, but go on the shows otherwise".  so how does that show i think fox is "legitimate"?   i'm saying to exclude them from the prestige that comes with hosting a debate.  that's exactly the strategy most of the democrats have adopted.  that doesn't mean they "work for hannity". or me either.  

whatever, I think we all know where you are coming from.

and more importantly, where you're coming from.   you whine about being "taken out of context", but you outright lie about me.

now that is like the pot calling the kettle black, You are the King of lies and distortions. LOL.

so you keep saying, but it's pretty clear on this thread who's doing the "distortions".    you lied about me being a "fox apologist", what did i lie about?

Well, we have wondered why Bill Clinton had spent a lot of time hanging with Pappa Bush, appearing together at Superbowls for shows of militarism, etc. Viva le empire!, eh? 

and did you mean to say "yes because they give fox..."?   the "no" contradicted what followed. 

It will never happen.  In case it isn't obvious yet, Harry Reid is spineless.

Like a jellyfish...and they have more integrity.

Angle said that Democrats were "going after" Limbaugh following their failure to denounce MoveOn.org's September 10 ad in The New York Times, titled "[link to pol.moveon.org] title="http://mediamatters.org/rd?[link to pol.moveon.org] [link to mediamatters.org] [link to mediamatters.org] [link to mediamatters.org] [link to pol.moveon.org] color="#0052a3">General Petraeus or General Betray Us?" Angle asserted: "I think what you have here, E.D., is a lot of Democrats who would not vote to condemn the MoveOn.org ad that called General [David] Petraeus 'General Betray Us' ... have found religion on this issue and are going after Rush Limbaugh." Co-host E.D. Hill responded to this assertion by saying, "It sounds like there's a whiff of hypocrisy there in Washington." In fact, 46 Democratic senators, including Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), [link to www.senate.gov] title="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00343">voted for an [link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov] target="_blank" title="http://mediamatters.org/rd?[link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov] [link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov] color="#0052a3">amendment [link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov] title="http://mediamatters.org/rd?[link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov] [link to frwebgate.access.gpo.gov] color="#0052a3">offered by Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA) that did refer to the ad as "an unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus."

Well FOX you can spin this the other way, they were so outraged to condemm moveon.org yet when Rush Limbaugh attacks American military men and women who are against the war (that seems to be ok) in the eyes of FOX and the GOP. on a side note ED Hill just makes me sick with her condesending lies . What a joke these people are.

ED Hill is a joke, sort of off topic but what the heck.

I was with my granddaughter at Barnes and Noble and I saw ED Hills stupid book in the Clearance Rack outside the store for $3.00.

I would not pay a penny for her garbage. She is a FOX hack.

Facts will not change anything. Those who support Limbaugh mostly know the facts, they just don't care about them. If they cared about facts, they wouldn't support him int he first place.

"CALLER 2: No, it's not, and what's really funny is, they never talk to real soldiers. They like to pull these soldiers that come up out of the blue and talk to the media.

LIMBAUGH: The phony soldiers.

CALLER 2: The phony soldiers. If you talk to a real soldier, they are proud to serve. They want to be over in Iraq. They understand their sacrifice, and they're willing to sacrifice for their country."

I think there is no question that the caller was referring to soldiers who oppose the war. Note his comment that "real soldiers" want to be in Iraq. Did Rush correct him? Did Rush not realize who this guy was talking about, seconds after Rush himself accused a war opponent of not being a "real Republican"? If Rush was really thinking of MacBeth, why didn't he say "The phony soldiers like Jesse MacBeth" or "Yeah, like that phony, Jesse MacBeth"?

The immediate context of the comment doesn't help Rush at all on this one.

DORIS:

SHAME requires a conscience, and a grounding in morality.

The rightwing have NEITHER, so "shame" is a condition you will never see a rightwinger demonstrate, except in extreme circumstances.

For example, that great rightwing dirty-trickster and smearmerchant who set the standard for present-day rightwing bloviators ... Lee Atwater ... developed a terminal brain tumor and REPENTED his evil rightwing ways on his deathbed. It seems he KNEW ... or had explained to him ... that his methods of propaganda and politics of personal destruction were EVIL, and that his soul was in terrible peril as a result of being a shameless rightwinger. In fear of his eternal soul, he did the right thing and repudiated the EVIL rightwing practices of lying, smearing, and character assassination that hallmarked his style of politics.

The current crowd we have ... Limbaugh, Hannity, Rove, O'Reilly, Ingraham, Coulter, a thousand others ... have the moral equivalence of Lee Atwater, but without the regret, without the shame, without the realization that what they are doing is immoral and evil.

Sadly, it may take a life threatening episode to awaken these people to the evils of their ways, their tactics, and their behaviors. Or, judgment day may find them defiant, to the delight of Satan.

Either way, it would serve us well, those of us who listen to the rightwing bloviators as they attempt to influence American politics daily, to know that what they are doing is contrary to every notion of decency. 

Tex

Well said and you are right, sometimes I pray and hope all people are good but have different views. My hoping is become false, I do not think these people are good people. Your Lee Atwater example was perfect.

Tex and Doris,    You're really not just coming up with all the BS together are you?    Lee Atwater, the devil, repenting on the deathbed.  Oh wow.  Lee did some sort of Linda Blair head spin, repented and .... that proves alot.  And we are there to witness all of that right? 

Modern Mythology and Politics all together now - drink the Kool-Aid. 

Echo chamber?

What echo chamber??

Angle: "So, you know, this gets very confused..."

A real journalist --as opposed to this phony one-- would clarify an issue instead of purposely adding to the "confusion".

Even Angle admits it:

"...though the exchange that Rush had with that other soldier was about those who come out in favor of withdrawal who have not actually served in the military, or who have not actually served in Iraq. So, you know, this gets very confused, "

What's confusing?  Angle nails it, then says it gets very confused?  The only confusion is the correct technique to twist ones brain into knots to buy into the "explanation" offered by the head turd from Excrements in Broadcasting.

Several limpaugh defenders have demonstrated that confusion here in the past few days, and they didn't even need the help of a hack like Angle.

Quite simply, Neon, Angle is complaining that reporting the truth (even if just for a moment) was making his head hurt... hence the "confusion" that he was feeling.

In order to relieve his now throbbing pain, Angle quickly returns to his usual practice of nattering out a series of delusional wingnut talking points.

ED has thus far shown absolutely no signs of suffering from this 'truth induced' malady, but then again no one yet to be able to document a single case of her straying far enough away from the Faux line to feel even the mildest of twinges. 

It's clear that Limbaugh in this conversation was calling people who disagree with Bush's policy "phony soldiers."  Anyone can tell by his response to the caller.  As a separate issue,

It's interesting that Limbaugh spent so much time on a poser.  Why the obsession?  He must know that there are many, many genuine vets against the war, yet he singles out the few fakers.

Same tactic used to discredit the Vietnam vets who spoke out against the war, years after the war was over...so many articles about the people who pretended to be vietnam vets.  There will always be this kind of thing but the tactic is to discredit actual veterans who advocate to end the war.

Limbaugh's problem is that he attempts to be too clever for his own good. He always tries to leave himself some plausible deniability, some wiggle room to back track. What bothers, and scares, him so much now is that he's being called out in a very public and specific way like he hasn't been before. There is nothing wrong with shining a light on Rush Limbaugh. What's funny is that when you put Limbaugh under the lamp he just keeps talking more and more...but this time he keeps digging the hole deeper. His "plausible deniability" isn't going as smoothly as it has in the past.

"Limbaugh's problem is that he attempts to be too clever for his own good."---Irony101

And concerned citizens are taping.

"Upon further review, the B.S does not stand!" 

RUSH, Thanks 2 U I now know that MM was started by Hillary Clinton and is funded partly by her. Your playing her KOS speech stating this says it all.

A powerful defense of Gumbaugh</sarcasm>: even the trolls cannot produce better than this off-topic inanity?

Hey Cheezewhiz, Hillary never said she started MMFA.  Go back and read her words again, carefully this time.

Hey now everybody.  The basic fact that the lie of Jesse MacBeth  - that he served, etc...   That doesn't register with any one here.   But, all of the looking into of the transcript of how long (1:50 later...) Rush Limbaugh mentions MacBeth's name - oh wow, what a problem.   Is his style just now conforming, is it to individualistic to fit into some approved method of hosting a talk show.   Oh that's right, all of the talk show's are run by right wing nuts, so it's all wrong.

What ever the problem that Media Matters wants to blow out of all proportion, go with it.  Big style problem. Some kind of cover your ass, all of the time. Read from the party mantra and support our troups in the party way. 

If you want to be a dittohead with comprehension problems, that is your right.

We will pray for your healing.

"Read from the party mantra and support our troups in the party way."- ThinkRight

Thinkright, I had trouble making sense out of most of your post, but am I reading this last line right? Are you really suggesting following the commands of a political party (or their spokesmen like Rush) as to how we should "support the troops"?

That doesn't sound like a very American idea.Soviet Union, Communist China, maybe.Could you explain more clearly why you think we should act more like fascists?

Could you explain more clearly why you think we should act more like fascists?

Sorry to sort of ramble a bit, but, I really think that the "those on the left" side of the Democratic party stand together to shame their targets in a certain, coordinated way.   Is this assault on Limbaugh really justified?  Mentioning the "too late" that he was referring to one soldier?  Second guessing, and over-analyzing -  imagine the shock, as some one referred to the use of the plural instead of singular Soldiers!!  

Slam me for listening to Rush now and then, but, the guy is so on top of things - for what, about twenty years, and the plan of attack is to tear into his form, style and this so called pattern of racism, etc.   Get around what you have heard from his detractors and actually think about what he talks about. 

Apparently, it is to easy for the opposition to label him as a lier, blow hard and all of the other kinds of smears.  He has quite a bit of common sense logic and humor about him. But, to the point of the comment I made - his individualism will allow him to withstand the kind of attacks that have come from the organized opposition party.

I'm surprised no one's mentioned that last bit about it "getting play in the Arab world." Criticizing Rush emboldens our enemies? This whole thing gets more ridiculous by the minute.