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On CNBC's The Big Idea, Coulter said that "we" Christians "just want Jews to be perfected"
During the October 8 edition of CNBC's The Big Idea, host Donny Deutsch asked right-wing pundit Ann Coulter: "If you had your way ... and your dreams, which are genuine, came true ... what would this country look like?" Coulter responded, "It would look like New York City during the [2004] Republican National Convention. In fact, that's what I think heaven is going to look like." She described the convention as follows: "People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant. They defend America." Deutsch then asked, "It would be better if we were all Christian?" to which Coulter responded, "Yes." Later in the discussion, Deutsch said to her: "[Y]ou said we should throw Judaism away and we should all be Christians," and Coulter again replied, "Yes." When pressed by Deutsch regarding whether she wanted to be like "the head of Iran" and "wipe Israel off the Earth," Coulter stated: "No, we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament, but ours is more like Federal Express. You have to obey laws."
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Posted by SueEld
The bigger question is why does Donny Detuch have Ann on his show? Why give her more exposure?
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 4:33:04 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by bacci40 in reply to SueEld
come on....deutch has her on cuz she is good for ratings
but my god...bringing up a seinfeld show as an example of mixed race couples being angry?
and i really hope all my jewish brethren who think this woman is gods gift to conservatives watch this clip
notice how she respins her comments from perfected jews to perfected christians
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 4:42:12 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by vysotsky in reply to bacci40
"Christians consider themselves perfected..."
This is some scary bullshizzle, even by Coulter's standards. I don't claim to be an expert on this stuff and I may be mistaken, but my understanding was that although Christian theology may hold that non-Christians have an incomplete or imperfect relationship with God, that's a long way from the claim that Christians see themselves as perfected anythings. There's that whole original sin and human fallibility issue.
I know you called for your conservative Jewish brethren to take note of Coulter's remarks, but I think it's even more important for Christians to speak up and loudly tell Coulter to stop grossly misrepresenting their religion.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 11:10:32 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by captfoster2 in reply to vysotsky
Hey V,
Part of what you said... "but I think it's even more important for Christians to speak up and loudly tell Coulter to stop grossly misrepresenting their religion."
That is presumming that the leaders of the Christian faith believe that Coulter really is a detriement to their religion or perhaps this is what they think afterall?
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 9:01:39 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dogrun81 in reply to captfoster2
I agree with Ann.
Christians think people should be Christians
Atheists think people should be Atheists
Muslims think people should be Muslim.
Why is this a controversy?
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:02:21 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to dogrun81
Because it is an extremely patronizing way of looking at things.
I personally am not shocked by anything Ann says. However I am glad when she is exposed for her stupidity.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:27:02 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by cann0nba11 in reply to open_mind
So now MMFA is posting when people are simply patronizing? The left is treading dangerous water if it tries to hang Coulter on these words. If you dont understand religion you shouldn't waste your time criticizing it.
Her statement is 100% accurate.
Jews believe that they are God's chosen people and that non-believers will ultimately not be saved. Does this make them anti-Christian? HELL FRIGGIN' NO!
Drop this one MMFA... its not worthy of your attention.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:45:11 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to cann0nba11
You are entitled to your delusions.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 9:40:21 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by candelman43976 in reply to cann0nba11
Boy, you are as ignorant as Ado Annie is. Jews do not believe that non Jews have to become Jews to be "saved" in the Christian terms. That's why Jews don't proteletize and even set up certain ritual barriers for those who want to convert. Judaism beleives that all people should follow the Noahite laws that predate the Ten Commandments. Just goes to show you that no matter how racist or anti- semetic Annie is, her right wing toadies will rush to her defense like that toady Jeffery who was on with James Carville and Wolf Blitzer on CNN. He thought that "no Jewish person would be offended with what Ann said. If he changed would to wouldn't, he would have been right.
Posted Saturday October 13, 2007 12:44:14 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by japan in reply to cann0nba11
I've not met a Jew - myself included - who has ever attempted to convert anyone to his/her religion. Jews don't sell their faith; they live it.
To claim that her statements are factual puts you in my Hall of Shame stupidity column. You don't know what you are talking about.
I don't judge you by your belief, nor do I think I am a Chosen person. I was born the same as you, and that doesn't change one iota whether I pray to Jesus or pray to Reverend Moon.
I suspect you are a diehard Republican and Christian, and you bottom-feed off of Limbaugh.
So sorry that your Jesus hasn't saved you from your mortal stupidity.
Posted Saturday October 13, 2007 2:33:48 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by susankrinard6089 in reply to dogrun81
It's people like you that turned me against Chrsitianity in 7th grade and convinced me that the kind of evil god you worship couldn't possibly exist.
Thanks!
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 3:08:15 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by ssdahle in reply to susankrinard6089
Oh come on! It seems to me that this is one of the least controversial statements she has made. Hell I understand where she comes from on this one (probably first time that's ahppenden). I am an atheist and I think that is the best stance to take in life and that moving from a Christian, Jewish, Islamic or Buddhist stance to an atheist one is an improvement. That doesn't mean that I consider myself and other atheists necessarilysuperior to other people or that they deservescorn or discrimination but I won't deny that I think I have undestood something Christianshaven't. Likewise Coulter (at least in this interview) didn't argue non-christians deserveworse treatment but simply that she thinks jews should convert from their own volition.What would be really patronizing would be topretend that she as a chrsitian was not of the opinion that her religion was better just forthe sake of not offending.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 4:06:09 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dogrun81 in reply to ssdahle
For once the atheist and I agree on something. It's kind of the point of a religion that one believes his/her way is better than other beliefs.
I would imagine that most of the commenters would agree that their own outlook on life is the correct and best one.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 6:21:34 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to ssdahle
I really don't care what religion or non-religion you are. Whatever works for you is fine. Ann's belief is insulting because it is entirely egocentric and assumes what works for her would work for everyone. That is completely patronizing.
If you share that belief of your own point of view, that is patronizing as well. You are welcome to your beliefs, but when your belief is disrespectful of others like Coulter's was, don't expect respect from others in return. Your belief is pompous criticism of other religions in itself and invites criticism of your own views in return.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 4:10:04 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by cann0nba11 in reply to open_mind
I think your open mind has rusted shut.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:46:09 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to cann0nba11
That's all you have? Seriously?
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 9:35:33 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by temphandle fills55expertise in reply to susankrinard6089
I got turned off religion in the 7th grade too! It was when I realized the hope of heaven was like dangling a carrot in front of the donkey, and the fear of hell was the stick. (I was learning about Skinner and behavior modification in Science class) So in my early adolescent mind, religion was just a way to control society. And it never had any power for me after that. 7th grade is a crucial developmental time because the brain becomes capable of abstract thinking.
Too many folks, however, like Coulter never got to the 7th grade, and are stuck in the concrete, have-to-obey authority mindset. They have never learned to think for themselves.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 2:27:54 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Pithaughn in reply to temphandle fills55expertise
You'er refering to aberant conditioning. That is the method Skinner discovered or defined. The infrequent and random reward of the behaviour the trainer is trying to reinforce. I trained one of my cats to ride a horse using aberant conditioning. It's also why golf is so popular.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:03:20 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to dogrun81
Because it's ANTI-SEMITIC, that's why!
She's claiming that Judaism is an inferior religion. She's crazy. And in a perfect world-- or even a half-way sane country-- her career would be over. It should be-- attacking Jews? What next? The fact that the MSM is just going to giggle over this proves that things are HOPELESS!
What if Hillary had made a comment like that? (oh, that's different.....like how?)
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 8:23:19 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dogrun81 in reply to carlileb5935
Why do we have to state that all religions are equally valid? Look up the 'church of the subgenius' and tell me that they are a valid religion.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 1:59:55 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to dogrun81
Do you agree that each person should decide for themselves what religion/non-religion is best for them? Or are you and the omnipotent Ann gonna decide that for them?
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 4:12:56 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by cann0nba11 in reply to open_mind
ANN IS NOT DECIDING FOR ANYONE ELSE!
God... this thread is making my head explode.
She has expressed her OPINION that people of her chosen religion are perfect.
If Duesch was a more well-spoken representative of the Jewish faith he could have countered that Jews consider themselves the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD. If you are not chosen, if you are not Jewish, you are not saved. Is that common Jewish belief anti-chrsitian? NO. Its a religious belief.
Anyone that can't grasp this BASIC concept of religion (belief) needs to step away from the Internet for a while and do something constructive. Irreligious liberals spouting off passionately about this topic is about as useful as listening to George Bush trying to officiate a grammar contest.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:53:58 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to cann0nba11
Ann Coulter made an ANTI-SEMITIC remark! Get it?
You people are DENSE. Get a clue, OK?
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:56:58 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to cann0nba11
"She has expressed her OPINION that people of her chosen religion are perfect."--cannonball
It seems even dumber when you put it that way. Nice.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 9:36:49 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by theOracle in reply to cann0nba11
That's funny. I always thought being chosen was like having a calling, not that it was being chosen is to be saved. I am Jewish, and I am not aware that being saved is a Jewish concept.
Posted Saturday October 13, 2007 1:01:14 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by jjamele2880 in reply to carlileb5935
Come on, people, Lighten Up. This is a typical Misinterpretation of what Coulter said, created by an Edited Tape. She was only talking about one particular Jew. She's a strong supporter of Israel. This is George Soros's doing.
Did I miss anything?
Sincerely, Troll Stand-In.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 5:23:39 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Pithaughn in reply to jjamele2880
yes, you forgot to work in the sexual orientation of a well know figure in the Democratic party.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:05:36 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by carlileb5935 in reply to jjamele2880
I hope you're kidding. You gotta be, right JL?
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:57:54 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by mari2rose1640 in reply to dogrun81
Actually the Scripture says it is NOT for us to judge. Since none of us are perfect, we are unable to judge wisely. God can look on the heart, passing up all the crap we put forth as our way of life. The very idea that anyone like Ann Coulter is qualified to say any of this defies scripture. Being hate-filled every time she speaks probably illustrates most succinctly that she has no idea of what Christianity demands of Christ's followers. Her hate toward the Clintons, by itself, disqualifies any think g she says about how to be and live like a Christian. But alas, her true mean spirit is showing. The more this is paraded in front of everyone, the less she will even have as an audience.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 3:12:51 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by arrose in reply to dogrun81
That is it in a nutshell. What is the controversy? And, I would add that unlike Islam, Christians aren't trying to convert people to Christianity by blowing them up and killing them. Christians aren't forcing anyone to believe what they believe. The same can be said for everyone other religion, with the glaring exception of Islam.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 12:48:52 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by ignatov in reply to arrose
"Christians aren't trying to convert people to Christianity by blowing them up and killing them."
Chistianity has a blood-drenched history. Christians essentially "started it" with the Muslims. Remember the crusades?
"Christians aren't forcing anyone to believe what they believe."
Remember the Spanish Inquisition? Chrisitians killing to convert. But conversion wasn't fueling all the death. The scientist Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by Christians. His heresy? He said the Earth went 'round the sun, which conflicted with dogma.
Remember the witch burnings? The troubles in Ireland? The clinic bombings? The Klan?
"The same can be said for everyone other religion, with the glaring exception of Islam."
I presume you're a Christian. When did your group become agents of intolerance and hatred?
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 5:20:27 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by cann0nba11 in reply to ignatov
Are you a real person or an automated drivel spouting web bot?
Yes, we ALL know that religions have had their dark periods. Radical Muslims simply ENJOY the dark period and have been practiciing it for 1200 years. EVERY OTHER major religion has gone through a reformation.
But you are probably too busy following Al Gore around the internet to take the time to think about this from a realistic and logical perspective.
Think with your brain, not your heart. Life is much easier to understand that way.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 7:56:47 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to cann0nba11
What you refer to as "dark ages" are really conservative golden ages. Your perspective is liberally biased.
If it weren't for liberals, there never would have been the reformation and we would still be enjoying the Middle Ages. Darn liberals!
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 9:31:06 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by ignatov in reply to cann0nba11
"EVERY OTHER major religion has gone through a reformation."
The Catholic reformation begat Protestantism, which begat the aforementioned witch burnings, clinic bombings, and Ireland wars. I don't think reformation has anything to do with being more civilized. Indeed, reformation merely creates one more religious divide to be used by haters.
P.S. Islam had a "reformation" soon after Mohammed's death, which resultied in the Shia/Sunni divide. Thanks for playing.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 9:39:12 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by svogel331647 in reply to dogrun81
I'm an atheist and I don't care what people are. They can believe anything they want to. The problem is people don't respect each other's beliefs or non-beliefs. Sure, some atheists think everyone should be an atheists but many don't. Why do people always say "all" instead of "some" when talking about a group? It's called prejudice. You are pre-judging someone because they identify themselves as a member of a larger group.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 3:39:47 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by nbatra6391 in reply to dogrun81
As the saying goes, everyone wants to be an atheist, but wants their neighbor to be a christian. If your neighbor's a christian, then he won't steal from you or kill you, but if you're an atheist, then you get to enjoy life, no God to obey!
Posted Saturday October 13, 2007 12:33:17 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by chin music in reply to bacci40
Actually, coulter is God's gift to progressives, in a perverse way. Her insane iterations are great fund-raising stimuli for conscientious Americans who are just nauseated by this manure (and they're NOT contributing to republican'ts, that's for sure). What mystifies me is her continuing appearances on NBC's Today show, even after making some of the most bigoted, hateful and ugly things that one could imagine. It says to me that NBC lacks anything resembling a social conscious, and that NBC is not a network that my family should be watching.
By the way: ann coulter is NO CHRISTIAN!
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 2:08:00 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dogrun81 in reply to chin music
And MM is a good fund-raising gift to the conservatives.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 6:43:56 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to dogrun81
Seriously? That's pretty cool. Try to spread the word about us if you can. Thanks.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 10:18:38 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by whillenbrand in reply to SueEld
I watched a bit of this from the beginning. Deutch made it clear that he wanted to discuss how Coulter turned every day obnoxiouseness ( i think thats a word) into a media empire. At first it was kind of interesting as he kept trying to reel her in and breakdown her personality as some sort of schtick.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 9:44:38 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Les is more in reply to SueEld
No, the bigger question is why anybody would watch Deutsch at all: haven't seen him in almost 2 years.
<>Has he interviewed the chopper Teutels lately?Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 7:43:21 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by eyecon in reply to SueEld
I am gay and Jewish; I am having second thoughts about Ms. Coulter. The media coverage may do more good than harm. It exposes her as the narrow minded, moronic bigot that she is.
That said, I would like to see her challenged more. According to her beliefs, Gahndi is in hell and the Dalai Lama will join him in the near future. Indeed, almost all of the Nobel Peace Prize recipients over the last 20 years are not Coulter-Christians.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 12:40:45 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by tex in reply to SueEld
Forgive her, Father.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:43:52 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by jayhome7967 in reply to SueEld
I'm a Hindu and I have finally seen the light from a Gal who so follows her perfected self , that breaks the biggest tenet of her perfected religion " thou shall not sleep around having merry pre-marital sex and be engaged 4 times to be married , only to have the men break it off".
We won't even go into that silly " let ye who has not sinned cast the...." statement from Jesus. I can see now jesus loves ann coulter.. cause she so defines his views and words...NOT!
Oh yes! babe... I'm converting to Perfected Christianity ASAP!Posted Friday October 12, 2007 8:12:18 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by a_se_asy_as1234050 in reply to SueEld
WELL DONE, ANN COULTER!Don't let those air-head, touchy-feely Liberals, who are waiting for the drop of a hat to be "offended", get away with their Political Communism. You just wipe the floor with them ... and make it look easy, too! AND THAT'S WHY THEY KNOW WE LOVE TO WATCH HER!
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 11:45:53 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wzwriter
Christians everywhere should be outraged that this low-life scum feels she can be their spokesperson.
Ann "The Man" Coluter needs to shut her piehole, crawl off in a corner, bark at the moon, and die.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 4:45:03 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by SueEld in reply to wzwriter
She really is a vile person.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 4:55:25 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dogrun81 in reply to SueEld
I am a Christian and agree with Ann 100% on this particular point. That is why I am a Christian: because I think it's the best way to live.
Muslims think all people should be Muslim, but they tend to favor force and coercion. We just think Christianity is a better CHOICE for a way to live.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 12:42:17 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to dogrun81
I am a Christian and I hope everyone is happy with their own choice of religion. I don't believe that because something works for me, it should automatically work for everyone else. It is severely patronizing to call yourself a "perfected Jew". As long as Jews or anyone else finds happiness in their own religion(s) and aren't harming others - why do we need to create some sort of hierarchy of perfection?
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:32:14 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by zharris428 in reply to open_mind
As an atheist, open mind, I have to agree with you. I'm not threatened by anyone who is religious and hope they are happy with their faith. However, when one makes public statements about their beliefs or challenge mind, expect a robust response.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 2:06:36 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dwarf_nebula in reply to zharris428
When I hear christians speak like Ann, I just want to flatly come out and say, STFU. Enough already. We get it, you love your religion. Good for you. But for the rest of us, who think most of you are scared little sheep, I am tired of being impacted by your intolerant beliefs. I am tired of having had absolutely no say in government as is partially evidenced by the fact that every single president has been a white-christian male. When we stop being negatively impacted by your beliefs about how people;e should act, maybe I will have something nice to say about your religion. In the meantime, Ann's comments compel me once again to say, Hey christians, please just STFU.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 8:56:14 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by ssdahle in reply to open_mind
But are you really a Christian then? Or do you just believe in belief, churches and congregations? Or maybe you believe in a God but that the manner in which one worships is of no importance? (some sort of Theosophy) To my mind being a Christian means something more than the above. And you can be in favour of freedom of (and from) religion and still think yours is the best, you just have to be of the opinion that coercion is wrong and morally repugnant.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 4:25:13 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to ssdahle
The problem with that is a logical one. There is always a natural tendency to think that what is best for me is best for everyone. It is a fallacy of course. That is why each person is in charge of finding their own path.
I don't really care how others label me. If it suits you then fine.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 12:16:44 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dfink817 in reply to dogrun81
Really? You know that people belonging to other religions want everyone to believe their religion? If there's one religion prone to that kind of thing, Christianity would be it. OpenMind had it right. Most people today, regardless of their own views, have a whatever-works-for-you attitude.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 2:03:34 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by dogrun81 in reply to dfink817
So are you saying that your philosophy is better than mine?
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 6:40:46 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to dogrun81
The thing you seem to miss is that the "whatever works for you attitude" is an inclusive view. If I have that view, I am admitting that I don't really know which religion is right. It means, you may be right or not, so I will not judge you.
Ann's belief however is inherently offensive. It claims by its very nature that everyone else is wrong (and she is right). It is critical and disrespectful of other religions on its face. I don't know how you could espouse such criticism of other religions and not expect some criticism back.
Do you require more restraint from other religious groups than you do from Christians?
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 4:33:38 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wzwriter in reply to dogrun81
It may be the best way for YOU to live, but it may not be the best way for everybody. That's what Freedom of Religion (and Freedom From Religion) is all about.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 3:07:46 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Pithaughn in reply to dogrun81
Dan, glad we agree on the pro choice argument. Although as a strict agnostic, I had to make the choide, either love and worship a supernatural being and recieve life everlasting, of go to hell. Nice choice.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 4:37:40 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by arkylib in reply to dogrun81
and you don't think some Christians revert to a sort of coercion to get people to convert? Trust me pal, it happens all the time. Maybe not violently, but fundie xtians invented coercion conversion.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 11:24:58 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by clairendipity in reply to dogrun81
Have you ever met a Muslim who tried to convert you? I haven't.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 8:24:57 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by mookworthjwilson in reply to SueEld
Who's worse? Keith or Ann???
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 5:01:32 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by mookworthjwilson in reply to mookworthjwilson
That comment was strictly for sueeld btw...
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 5:03:37 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by FNC Liberal in reply to wzwriter
It won't be long before this hag appears on Hannity and Colmes to defend her remarks about Jewish people. Every time she opens her slit, Fox News pundits rush to defend her comments, no matter how vile it is.
This anorexic hack-who should be in jail by now for voter fraud-will cry on lonely Sean's shoulders and ask for sympathy.
Take a stand and don't purchase any of her books! Donate the money to a charitable organization.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 6:02:57 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by newzhound
If Ann Falter is a perfected Christian I'll opt for the pagan version.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 4:56:04 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by tman418 in reply to newzhound
I'll opt for Hell! But before that, Canada, or France. Maybe England.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 9:59:08 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by juliajayne in reply to tman418
A perfected bag of bones
Is the only thing poor Annie owns
But she continues her heist
From her version of Christ
It's a wretched plot to feed her jones*
*her jones for attention and money
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 10:51:50 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to juliajayne
Coulter thinks Jews aren't perfected
Wasn't one of them resurrected?
This ignorant dame
Needs a new Christian name
Annie-Christ is the one I've selected
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 12:38:19 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by juliajayne in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
Annie-Christ. I think that sums her up "perfectly".
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:29:29 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by juliajayne in reply to juliajayne
Annie is pimping the Lord
Her hatefulness can't be ignored
With her miserable schlock
She is making a mock
Of all things that Jesus adored
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:43:43 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by sparkypat427 in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
That was so perfectly stated
this witch should be berated
if christian think this way
ther's gonna' come a day
when theocracy is consecrated
Beware....
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 8:21:36 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by MickD
Why does Deutsch insist that she should retract her racist statements? Calling Annie C. "educated" shouldn't get her off the hook (no one that close minded is interested in education). Maybe that is his point.
In any sane pundit environment remarks like Annie's would be a career ender. But she soldiers on, protected by her book sales and ratings. Scheesh.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 4:59:05 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wzwriter in reply to MickD
I wonder if any members of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League read MMFA. If her comments are found to be anti-Semmitic (and I believe they are), that might spell the end of her time in the spotlight...
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:02:18 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Taz in reply to wzwriter
Are you suggesting Jews control our media and can bounce someone if they decide their views are anti-semitic? You might be right, they already control our Middle Eastern foreign policy.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 9:29:40 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Lynn in reply to Taz
..and those Black people have the criminal gene.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 10:15:13 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wzwriter in reply to Taz
Not at all. But if Coulter gets branded as an anti-Semite, it will not enhance her public personna.....
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 9:57:17 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by open_mind in reply to wzwriter
The ADL has become a pretty worthless group lately. I am all for setting the record straight about the Holocaust and other honorable work they do, but they have damaged their reputation by going after just about anyone who makes an insulting comparison or reference to Hitler or the NAZI's.
Hitler was indeed a terrible person and did awful things, but if the ADL wants everyone to silence comparisons to him, they are making it easier IMO for another Hitler or NAZI party to happen somewhere - maybe even here.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:38:10 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687 in reply to open_mind
ADL spends most of it's time trying to silence anyone who criticizes Israel's horrible human rights record. They're just shills for the Occupation. Funny how they rail against "antisemitism" but rabidly support a brutal ideology of religio-ethnic supremacy in Israel. Just another cog in the giant Israel Lobby PR machine in the US, trying it's damndest to censor our media and keep the truth hidden. May Freya curse them.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 2:17:47 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by susankrinard6089 in reply to open_mind
Actually, the ADL only silences references from the left wing. They leave the right wing alone.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 3:11:04 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by bacci40
btw...ann also puts down christians when she compares the christian religion to fedex
will real christians be outraged by her statements?
stay tuned
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:00:22 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by snoopy in reply to bacci40
Ummm, never.
Notice she thinks heaven looks like a republican convention? A room full of swooning white people with just a few token minorities praying to a false god.
But ohh, them poor christians. Always under attack by us liberals. They never do that to other religions...
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:14:45 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by 7YearsLeft in reply to snoopy
If heaven looks like a republican convention, you can definitely count me out! I think repubs, in general, are like the kids who didn't get invited to the party...Who wants to hang out with them?! What a boring bunch of morons! Besides, I don't like country music that much anyway...
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 11:31:25 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by christopher howard in reply to bacci40
True. Everyone knows that if God is like a delivery company, it would be this one.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3566/is_200301/ai_n8386341
Coulter's grasp on delivery theology is hollow and false. Burn the heretic!
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:25:23 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Lynn in reply to bacci40
I don't even understand what that means and her comment about interracial couples having chips on their shoulder is truly weird.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:49:36 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by snoopy in reply to bacci40
Sorry, so far the only outrage is coming from democratic Jews. If we don't hear anything from the right by end of day Thursday I'd say we can safely say they agree with Ann Slanders.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 12:01:29 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by DaisyDeadhead
Whatcha mean WE?
She speaks for herself only. This is one Christian who thinks Ann is full of CRAP.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:00:32 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Lynn in reply to DaisyDeadhead
Make that two Christians!
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:50:30 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by DaisyDeadhead
Also, Ann needs to tell us exactly what kind of Christian she is. Time to come clean. Take the risk Mitt Romney and others have: WHAT DENOMINATION ARE YOU, ANN?I ask since in the acknowledgments of her book, she said "novenas go to --" (instead of "thanks to") which is an identifiably Catholic thing to say. However, if she admits to being Catholic, she will offend the "born-again" faction of the right that laps up her silly, shallow books. Then again, if she admits to being "born again" she will look low class to her high-church Connecticut and New York City friends. Come clean, Ann, and tell us what kind of "Christian" you supposedly are, so we can pick your theology apart, and point out how what you say goes against your denomination. I'm sure we can find SOMETHING to get you kicked out. If you have NO denomination, of course you realize that most right-wing Christians will not consider you a Christian at all?
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:07:27 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by snoopy in reply to DaisyDeadhead
It would be the hipocrates faith. This is their core belief: Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're tolerant.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:24:14 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Conchobhar in reply to DaisyDeadhead
Notice how she keeps harping on "obey, obey, obey?" Whatever sect she nominally belongs to, her "Christianity" is on a fast-track to fascism.
Personally, I stopped considering obedience a virtue on May 1, 1968. That's the day that, as a young soldier on the first day of a month long leave, I walked through the concentration camp at Dachau.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:24:19 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by toheal8509 in reply to DaisyDeadhead
I believe that Ann Coulter belongs to the 'Regressive Christianity Movement'.....now, that would explain her excessive hate of 'other', other being those that believe that she is absolutely crazy!
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:53:55 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by archae
Ann Coulter is a fake "Christian."
She'd be first in line to crucify Jesus if he did return.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:25:15 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by therick in reply to archae
How true, because Jesus is a Liberal.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:36:40 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by 7YearsLeft in reply to therick
WWJD?
Certainly not align himself with closed-minded biggots!
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 11:41:31 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by tex in reply to 7YearsLeft
A new film: “The Princess Bride of Frankenstein”:
COULTER: “Well, OK, take the Republican National Convention. People were happy. They're Christian. They're TOLERANT.”
Inigo Montoya: “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 8:25:45 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by redking75687 in reply to archae
"Christians" have been crucifying Jesus for the last 1700 years. They took a demi-god of peace and love, nailed him back onto a cross in the 300's and carried him, in pain and suffering, at the forefront of all their armies and atrocities ever since.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 2:33:39 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Conchobhar in reply to redking75687
You're so right, King. The Edict of Milan was a poison pill.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 8:51:48 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by johnny_nyc8351
She's basing her opinion about mixed race couples on a Seinfeld episode?????
Maybe that's where O'Reilly gets his views on race too?
Who would have known....
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:34:22 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by conleytgwinn in reply to johnny_nyc8351
Not that there's anything wrong with that . . .
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:09:27 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by johnny_nyc8351 in reply to conleytgwinn
You'll notice she doesn't say "mixed race couples I know" but refers to couples she sees on the street and a Seinfeld episode.
It's clear she doesn't know any mixed race couples but is still offering an opinion about them.
Welcome to O'Reillyland.
Get me an iced tea motherf*cker!!!!
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:13:53 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by archfiend in reply to johnny_nyc8351
And mind you, Seinfeld ended its run almost a decade ago.
Way topical, Annie.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:40:46 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by juliajayne in reply to archfiend
DD should have said, Anne that was so 10 years ago.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 10:35:49 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by knowlies in reply to johnny_nyc8351
Apparently, the Right bases it’s policies and opinions on television shows. Remember, Americans are in favor of torture because “24” is so popular.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 8:02:21 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by greekfurnace
Okay... to all the 'conservative' posters here who whine about MMFA and claim that 'conservative bias' is an apparition, etc... Here's your proof. Why this belligerent moron gets ANY airtime is beyond... Let's find a similar moonbat liberal who spews similar (but lefty) nonsense like Coulter anywhere on the airwaves... You can't. Right, right... it's all for ratings. Bullsh*t.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:38:32 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by pete592 in reply to greekfurnace
And here we see Skeletor without the comfort of Sean Hannity's nose buried in her backside. Low and behold, she winds up personally offending someone, having to backpedal and relentlessly explain herself, all too predictably, I might add. Give Donny some credit for backing her in a corner and exposing her dimwitted thinking.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:57:38 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Graydogs
There have been some recent news stories about how hangmen's nooses are showing up all over the country.....showing up in the workplace, and anywhere from small towns to cites. When asked why this is increasing, one of the TV spokespersons suggested that all the focus on the Jena story and the nooses, may be encouraging more of it right now.
The world is full of racists and bigots, and fortunately public opinion expressed through the media, keeps many of their ideas and actions from becoming main stream ideas and actions.
But here is the real danger in the Ann Coulters of the world....when they are repeatedly paraded out in main stream media, they embolden the racists and bigots because the media shows no shock or outrage to counter her hate speech. DEUTSCH: "We will let the audience decide then, won't we?..."
The more people like her appear in main stream media, and the more they are allowed to say the things they do without some sign of revulsion or shock from the media, the more emboldened become those that follow or share those ideas.
Let her say what she wants, but where is the voice that represents those who are offended? When racist statements are made, and the public cries out, the media is there with excuses and spin. The public has no right to be outraged, they say, because it's not really what they meant. The rush to make excuses for these media racists, is yet another message to the racists and bigots that how they feel is becoming more main stream and acceptable.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:39:22 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Conchobhar in reply to Graydogs
Come on, Sceolan, don't you get it? It's the reichwing tautology at work. It's not offensive because I say it's not offensive, so you shouldn't be offended by it. Bush has perfected the drill. We don't torture because we're Americans and Americans don't torture, and you don't need to know what our definition of torture is.
In the 21st Century the Republicans have become our Marxist party:
"Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?" Chico Marx, disguised as Groucho, in Duck Soup.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:12:57 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to Conchobhar
Conchobhar, I saw an amazing segment on the O'Reilly factor the other night.
First BilldO introduced a taped segment by saying that intelligence experts deemed torture effective.
He then asked theses experts about "aggressive interrogation". Even with the re-naming, he got very qualified responses, which he interpreted as "torture works"
The next taped bit was even better- BO, asking how the American public knows that we aren't using torture.Bush, essentially saying that his interrogators are not breaking any laws (re: torture, on which subject they have largely written new laws), and that he couldn't verify that with details, as it would alert the enemy of what sort of techniques to anticipate.
And Billdo's response to this weaselly non-answer?
"I believe him!"
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 12:51:49 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Conchobhar in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
Lefty,
You watch Billdo so I don't have to. I'm forever grateful. Isn't it embarrassing that he has an Irish name?
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:53:00 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to Conchobhar
Yeah, but if it weren't for the o'Reilly's, Hannitys, Reagans, that Catholic League Donohue cat and other assorted embarrassments, people would think we were all "Perfected Paddys".It just wouldn't be fair. ;0)
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 4:26:41 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Conchobhar in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty
Ah, thanks for the chuckle. They're always welcome in these troubled times.
You know, Anniekin's description of heaven calls to mind one of my favorite quotes from Mark Twain:
"I'll take heaven for the climate and hell for the company."
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 6:37:23 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by pbg in reply to Graydogs
Hanging nooses on a black profesoor's door at Columbia teacher's Colllege in New York: [link to www.wnbc.com]
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:56:06 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by wolf kotenberg
She invited DD to go with her to church. I'd like to see her giving records and to what church ?
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:51:06 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by eweston8542983
I thought she was evangelical. For many with this affliction, any outside their church are pagans. Consideration is only visible if you have some item or skill that might be of temporary use to them.
For Annie, Heaven would include day trips, to hell to see other souls suffer. Maybe give a few suggestions on how to properly draw out the pain.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 5:54:31 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Graydogs in reply to eweston8542983
From Wikipedia...Ann's view on religion:
Coulter says that she holds Christian beliefs, but has avoided disclosing her membership of any particular denomination.
At one public lecture she said: "I don't care about anything else: Christ died for my sins and nothing else matters."
In a 2004 column, she summarized her view of Christianity: "Jesus' distinctive message was: People are sinful and need to be redeemed, and this is your lucky day because I'm here to redeem you even though you don't deserve it, and I have to get the crap kicked out of me to do it." She then mocked "the message of Jesus ... according to liberals," summarising it as "...something along the lines of 'be nice to people'," which, in turn, she said "is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity (as opposed to other religions, specifically Islam)".
Confronting some critics' views that her content and style of writing is un-Christian,she has stated that "I'm a Christian first and a mean-spirited, bigoted conservative second, and don't you ever forget it.
"She has also said: "... Christianity fuels everything I write. Being a Christian means that I am called upon to do battle against lies, injustice, cruelty, hypocrisy — you know, all the virtues in the church of liberalism."
In Godless: The Church of Liberalism, as well as in personal appearances, Coulter makes it very clear that she is a creationist, claiming that there is no evidence proving the theory of evolution and calling it "bogus science".
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:02:30 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by ventana543601 in reply to Graydogs
I don't get it. How can you not love this woman? ...you people.
Moving on. I suppose there are people who view their religion as a social networking club. But if you step aside from Anne's total control of your spinal reflexes for a moment, don't you realize that most truly religious people know that their's is the most perfect realization of God's wishes for our lives? In that light, a "religious" "Godly" person who did NOT hope for you to find the salvation that they enjoy would exemplify the height of elitist, hate-filled zenophobia.
Whatever. Check in once in a while. Let me know when Anne gives you your spine back. I'll be around.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 8:58:56 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by loislap
Ann Coulter:"The Perfect Christian".
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:00:37 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by chavez_frank9414
Christ says in the Bible that it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get into heaven. So heaven will hardly look like a Republican National Convention. It won't look like a Democratic National Convention either. According to the Gospels Heaven is home of those who spent their time giving to others:helping the poor, visiting those in prison, healing the sick, welcoming strangers, struggling for justice, and making peace.
I imagine that in heaven we will meet a whole host of folks from every era who have stood up for justice, the poor, and for peace among them we will find -- Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr, Rosa Parks, Malcolm X, Fannie Lou Hamer, Jimmy Carter, John Lennon and Yoko Ono, Nelson Mandela, Princess Diana, the members of Doctors Without Borders, John Shelby Spong, Cindy Sheehan...
...We will probably not meet Ann Coulter, George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Dick Cheney, Carl Rove, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly or any other person who called themselves a Christian while actively standing in the way of our progress towards a more just, equitable, and peaceful society. And that's not my opinion but the words of the Gospel. Check it out for yourself in Matthew 25:31-46.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:06:05 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by markinro24 in reply to chavez_frank9414
Heaven is filled with those believed on the Lord Jesus. Nothing to do with democrat, republican, liberal or conservative.
Posted Friday October 12, 2007 8:07:26 AM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by IRONY 101
"...we just want Jews to be perfected, as they say. ... That's what Christianity is. We believe the Old Testament..."
Too funny...now AC is the spokeperson for Christianity. Such a shining example of Christian kindness and love.
BTW, I thought it was mandatory that before an educated, upper-middle class person starts touting the Old Testament he/she must first go through a drug or alcohol crisis. Maybe she used to secretly date George W. Bush on the side when she was in high school.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:06:15 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by stanhunts6803
"Perfected Christians" Nice mantra but lacking in 4 beliefs:
1. The sovereignty of God, rather than mankind...
2. The Lorship of Christ, rather than America or the Republican Party...
3. The authority of Scripture - the Word of God, as opposed to the words of God...
4. The presence of the Kingdom of God, rather than the creation of our own image of the Kingdom of God here on earth...
Ann, the Republican Party, those who repeat the Sinner's Prayer and hastily forget that they are sinners, and those for whom the Sermon on the Mount is for a future time, are antithetical to the call of God and fit right into the prosperity gospel of McChurch.
What a tragedy!
Stan Moody, Ph.D., author of Crisis in Evangelical Scholarship and McChurched: 300 Million Served and Still Hungry...
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:12:25 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by yui0ta
She is an upstanding member of the largest church in the world: The Church Of The Almighty Dollar
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:17:25 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by loislap
You gentlemen are right.The idea of Ann belonging to a religion that follows the teachings of a man who if alive today would no doubt be thought of as a left wing agitator is absurd.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:21:01 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by IRONY 101 in reply to loislap
Just the idea of an educated political commentator espousing the idea that everyone should belong to a particular religion is insanity. An insane person is the occasional point man for right wing talking points and yet there are morons, some who post here, who still say praise AC as a funny, articulate woman whose strong point is her political incorrectness. I beg to differ...she's just insane.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:26:15 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Lynn in reply to IRONY 101
...and those posters are eerily silent on this thread. I can't wait to get their take on AC`s anti-Semitism or how what she said wasn’t anti-Semitic and how it is intentionally being misconstrued by all the Liberals that hate her and furthermore the Liberal Deutsch (even though he’s an Independent) lured her into a trap.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 6:39:59 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by Preston_P in reply to Lynn
That’s Far Right logic. Bigotry is nonexistent in America, and Coulter’s comments are taken out of context by those whiny, sensitive liberals. Liberals are being—to take a slur used redundantly by one sexually-repressed poster here— “sissies” since liberals dare call out Coulter’s hate and bigotry. There’s always an excuse nowadays for overt and covert racism, sexism, homophobia and Anti-Semitism by the Far Right. What I find disturbing about her comments was that she lacked the empathy to understand how disgusting and fascist-like her words are to those who are Jewish. Coulter throws the history of Jewish oppression by Christians completely out of the window in order to score cheap, political points, to be provocative! I would almost label Coulter the Right Wing pundit version of Madonna, but even the latter wasn’t provocative and inflammatory just for the hell of it—there was a message of female empowerment behind Madonna’s antics. Since Coulter is no feminist (despite the fact she borrowed so much from them), Coulter does things repulsive because nowadays repulsiveness with no intellectual foundation is marketable and embraced by the public as being refreshing and non-PC. Political incorrectness celebrated for the sake of being politically incorrect.
This is why I don’t accept the notion that she’s a “satirist;” there's nothing behind Coulter's flamboyancy and wit—just vile hate. Some may laugh at her remarks because such comments are things many think, want to say, and can’t since such remarks are socially unacceptable; some may applaud her for being a xenophobic, homophobic, Anti-Semitic screech monkey because being so unapologetically hateful is seen as “hip” and “ballsy;” but at the end of the day propagating hate in a clipped New England accent isn’t illuminating, witty or provocative, it's just a slick, glossy way in repackaging and selling fascism to a public that should be smart enough to reject such degenerative propaganda and see it for what it's worth, even if the person who is spreading it has a Katherine Hepburn accent and posh demeanor.
Posted Wednesday October 10, 2007 10:50:05 PM EDT / Flag this comment
Posted by juliajayne in reply to Preston_P
Thank you Preston for that very eloquent post.
Posted Thursday October 11, 2007 1:14:44 AM EDT / Flag this comment
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