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George Will: GOP voters "have learned" that Giuliani "doesn't flip-flop"

Summary: On ABC's This Week, The Washington Post's George Will asserted "What they [Republican primary voters] have learned about Giuliani is that he doesn't flip-flop. ... [H]e's taken exactly the un-Romney approach to his problem, which was to say, 'Look, this is me. Take it or leave it.' " But as NPR senior news analyst Cokie Roberts said, "[H]e equivocated on guns. He equivocated on abortion."
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Posted by mary59

Why is he called "Rotten Rudy?

'cause he's arrogant, selfish and moody

His views on abortion

Require much contortion

Like ending 2nd marriage for Judy.

Posted by MoonbatYouBet

Haven't we learned by now?  Republicans do not flip-flop or pander for votes, they change their minds after serious and heart felt consideration of the issues, sometimes multiple times in any given day.

Posted by captfoster2 in reply to MoonbatYouBet

I love the sarcasm Moon......

Unfortunately I get George Will's opinion columns in my local paper and have read them all since I moved here.....

Once in a blue moon I agree with some of what he says but he almost always ruins it by showing his obvious slant to the right-wing ideals.

Mr Will is one of those that may not always toe the line but to put much trust in his words, you might as well believe that the illegal occupation is going well and the economy is strong.

Posted by jer999

Rudy flip-flops on everything. He learns what the people want then changes to that stance....typical politician...

I would love to hear not only RUDY's comments, but ALL PRES. candidates, DEMO, And REP.  specific plan on what they will do ,           (on tape) to the # 1 problem to all americans at this time, and that         is WHAT IS YOUR SPECIFIC PLAN, on what or how, You will handle      this problem of deportation of illegals before it totally bankrupts America ???  AMNESTY  being out of the question ?

                                                             

What is it about this Question that commentators refuse to ask this specific question , and give each candidate 1 minute to state their position...!!! ( so we have it on tape )

Posted by eweston8542983 in reply to jer999

Yes, and when are they going to complete the walls arround our country so we can keep people we don't like out and contain the parts of our population who might disagree with assumed authority. They must be properly punished and not allowed to escape before our righteous wrath can find them. Water boarding our not-quite-patriotic-enough citizens. An idea whose time cannot be soon enough. Push this so the hate filled parts of our population can find good work before its time for them to be thinned out as well.;-)

Posted by Ken Schellenberg in reply to jer999

>>how, You will handle      this problem of deportation of illegals before it totally bankrupts America ???

I don't think anyone is advocating mass deportations, except for a lunatic fringe. 

Posted by captfoster2

As for Guiliani.....

Anyone that would so blatantly use 9/11 as a political tool to further an agenda would fit in perfectly with this new breed of corporate right-wing idealogs.

I truely do hope that Guiliani get the nomination, it will be the biggest landslide victory for a Democrat, if not ever, certainly recently!

I take that back...... run ANY Republican and even Mike Gravel would be the next prez!

Posted by JLyons in reply to captfoster2

I truely do hope that Guiliani get the nomination, it will be the biggest landslide victory for a Democrat, if not ever, certainly recently!

I double that hope

Posted by RoberttheP in reply to JLyons

Jlyons, I triple that.

Posted by ufleirx

Ronald "the Communicator" Reagan

George "the Decider" Bush. Cause he said so.

Rudy "the Equivocator" Giuliani.

Somehow these monikers are becoming less impressive as the GOP digs deeper and deeper into the barrel of rotten apples.

 

Posted by pearlene_scott1602

George Will is full of it. Rudy did try to double talk his way out of abortion and gay rights when he first started running. The only reason Rudy didn't 'change his mind' completely is there was already so much documentation on where he stood on issues like gay rights and abortion in the public domain. He would have competed with Mitt for the 'flip-flopper/change my mind' award!.

George Will better watch Perkins/Dobson & Co. They say no to Rudy and if Rudy gets the nomination they will start a third party.

Posted by jeter2

Doesn't flip flop my ass.

Is it me or does it just seem like everyone is really pushing Rudy on us as the best of the Republican candidates?

Me thinks the Republicans are gonna hold their noses & vote for this twit because they think he's the only one that can defeat Hillary.

I won't vote for the guy. I'd rather sit out the election if it's Rudy vs Hillary.

Posted by mescal in reply to jeter2

That's bad news for you, Jeter, because the MSM has essentially already proclaimed a Hillery vs Rudy election... all before the first primary vote has been cast. The Punditocracy is hardly going to wait for mere voters to decide anything with the high-end financial potential as national elections. They (& the corporate community that they represent) fully intend to tell US what's what & who's acceptable in Washington's power centers.

As for myself, I share your repugnance at the 'choice' that they seek to present us with. If the election is close, I will hold my nose & vote for Hillery. If its clear that the neocon-dominated Republicans are going down in flames, I will join our friend Redking in voting for the Green candidate.

That at least reminds them that not everybody is on board with their connivinces. 

Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to mescal

One of the luxuries of living in the Pacific time zone, Mescal. Waiting until 10:30 Eastern to decide if I can vote based on  principle or damage control.

And I think the only thing GOP voters learn, contrary to Will's opinion, is whatever they've been told most recently by the media.

Posted by Les is more in reply to HuntingtonBeachLefty

So Will is a Rudy tooter? I guess he'll get the nom, but all this flip-flop talk willreally come to light when Hillary gets the dem nom.

 

Her vote for war, then against.

She wants to end the war, but when?

She used to wear dresses, and now goes with pantsuits. 

She wanted to give every new-born $5,000, now she doesn't.

She's against corruption, then hires a convicted thief (Burgler) for "advice."

etc., etc.... 

 

Posted by princeofwheels in reply to Les is more

MORE, Can't use the flip-flopping ploy this time around. It was used in the last election. The Cons better find something new. And none of the D voters will care.

The Cons showed America what it is like to vote for liars. I'll take a FFer anytime.

Posted by pearlene_scott1602 in reply to jeter2

MSM is pushing both Rudy and Hillary but I heard someone say that there is an back door effort by Junior & Co. to help McCain get back in the picture in a big way. I believe Dobson and Perkins when they say no Rudy period and I truly don't think Republicans want to commit political suicide by splitting the party, so they will probably prop Thompson up, fill him with NoDoz and pray he comes to life.

Posted by jeter2 in reply to pearlene_scott1602

they will probably prop Thompson up, fill him with NoDoz and pray he comes to life.

That made me almost choke on my coffee Pearlene...too funny!

 

Hey I got an e-mail with a link to this test... for some fun take this short Select a Candidate Quiz to find out which one your views most align up with.

 http://www.wqad.com/Global/link.asp?L=259460

Posted by HuntingtonBeachLefty in reply to jeter2

Hey Jeter- I got Richardson, Kucinich and Edwards to show. Except that I had a bunch of further questions for most of the items. ;0)

Posted by Les is more in reply to pearlene_scott1602

McCain is dead in the water: it's between Rudy and Thompson.

Hillary's got it wrapped up on the RAT side, unless they want to bring in that ( ooo, I'm scared!!!!) man-made global warming fraud, AL GORE. 

Posted by Little Umbrellas

Amazing what campaigning is vs. governing is, eh?

Posted by Little Umbrellas

Hold your nose, please, and vote for Hillary. The difference is more than odour, mon cher.

"Umm... no, sorry, we're NOT invaing Iran. I'm going shopping."

Posted by Little Umbrellas

"NOT invading Iran" (sorry)

Posted by mescal in reply to Little Umbrellas

Don't worry, Hose.

This was a lesson that we ALL should have learned from the 2000 debacle.

Anyone who can't see the differences between the catastrophic fandangos that the Bush Misadministration has committed against our nation... and, of course, the rest of the world..., and whatever errors a Gore Administration MIGHT have presented us with, is (to paraphrase Solon) a complete moron, & lacking in higher brain functions.

Whatever issues that I have with the Democrats, I do realize that our first obligation is to sweep these greedy, lying, sociopathic neocon murderersout of power. 

Posted by ImpeachBushNow

Once Rudy is nominated the dirt from NY will come out.

He couldn't beat Hillary in NY and can't nationally either when his NY record, including very negative 9/11 things come out. 

Posted by Les is more in reply to ImpeachBushNow

Don't kid yourself, there's plenty of dirt to go around for both Rudy and Hillary: wait and see.

Posted by captfoster2 in reply to Les is more

LES,

Your probably right on that one, however, Rudy is the one that is using a national tragedy (9/11) as a political tool to try and run for the presidency.

As a citizenry (and VERY contrary to the wacky right-wingers) we haven't forgotten about that horrible day, in fact I would hope that a Rudy nod might perhaps bring 9/11 to the fore-front.....

It's an issue (like a family with problems that needs to be talked about for that family to be happy again) that needs to be brought up again in detail.....

I for one am sick and tired of the Bush crime family and all their cohorts in supressing the real truth of 9/11.

Like I said, a Rudy nod could or should bring 9/11 up for discussion??

Posted by SFnomad

Rudy doesn't "flip-flop" ... except when he does.

Posted by pete592 in reply to SFnomad

When it comes to flip-flopping, Rudy was for it before he was against it.

Posted by roundhouse

This is kinda cool. Will is being held captive by his own Republican frames. He must simply be unaware that merely negating a frame only serves to reinforce that frame in the mind of the listener.

Posted by clickron7991

Giuliani created a police state in NY, and will create one across the U.S. His poll numbers are been artificially inflated as a "front runner"...Mitt too...according to every exit poll and straw poll. Who is behind this sinister manipulation of the truth, these invisible forces scare me. I am a registered republican, but I won't vote for either of them. Somebody else is pulling their strings, I'm tired of it all.