Lou Dobbs said "The point is, he lied. There was no attempt at interpreting that statement. He basically, fundamentally, straightforwardly lied." MMFA has already made the case for the essential truthfullness of Biden's statement, but let me take on Dobb's claim that Biden didn't "interpret that statement."

That is unfair and wrong. Had Biden made the statement out of the blue, with no context, Dobbs would be correct. If, without any precedent, Biden had attacked McCain as a politician who did not fund the troops, then Dobbs would have a justified criticism of Biden. After all, McCain didn't vote to not fund the troops--he voted against a time table! He knew one way or another the troops would get their equipment and money.

But in context, Biden in fact is not attacking McCain for not funding the troops. He is using the same exact logic as the McCain campaign, which started the nonsensical attack to begin with, and kept it up even when it was shown to be dishonest. Barack voted for a time table. He didn't vote against funding the troops, and like McCain, knew the troops would get the money one way or another.

Biden had simply used the same logic as McCain in order to fend off a ridiculous and unfair attack--a lie by McCain, in fact. If Obama voted against funding the troops, then so did McCain. You can't use one yardstick for one candidate, and another yardstick for a different candidate.

funding the troops and funding the war are used interchangeably and become one ansd the same after a constant effort to muddy the difference. Somehow the party hacks mix up the two assuming the american listening public is too nauive to figure out the difference and call it for what it really is, a political football.

is this a reaction to this ?? http://mediamatters.org/discuss/200810030010?threaded=1#395023

The Republicans have a lot of help form the likes of Dobbs, Mitchell, and others.  It is not necessary to admit to the lie (like when Hell freezes over) and/or apologize.  Fully confident in the gullibility of the public, they need to just repeat the lie over and over and over again until it becomes the "truth" in the teeny-tiny minds of that public.  Barack is muslim.  Barack is "different".  Barack is elite.  Barack didn't fund the troops, etc., etc., etc.  It is unnecessary to have many of these lies, only a dozen or so to enhance the doubt already planted months ago.  Since the main stream media is no longer involved with reporting the truth or even the news, the McCain campaign has a free and reliable cadre of operatives who are perfectly willing to sell the country down the river.  Think back to McCain's "suspension of the campaign".  Every news organization repeated this falsehood every 5 minutes, completely ignoring that they, themselves, were airing campaign ads without let-up.  It is simple enough to demonize any personality within the MSM who dares present any positive view of Obama, the methodical distribution of lies can continue without interference.  The GOP has a well-oiled machine.

Logic? Republicans don't need no stinkin' logic.

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much like Eva Peron of so long ago, so far away ???

The reason the media types want McCain to win is that they do not want to see an end to the gravy train they are on for spewing right wing rhetoric. It isn't a direct pay off as in a bribe, but access, prestige, and status are strong enough motivators for the careerists to betray their profession and the American people. If any of them had a conscience they would be ashamed of themselves, but as it stands they are proud of their ability to play the game well, so that they "win," whatever winning means in that context. It is a strange world we live in when victories won through cheating is acceptable rather than hollow.

Dobbs is a joke. He is a Republican, in a self-proclaimed independent clothing.

I used to have a lot of respect for Lou Dobbs, but something has happened to his credibility in the last year,or so. I've never seen anyone so obsessed in demonizing the democrats to the extent that Dobbs does,and like this,some of it is intentional lies. At the time he said that I told my wife Dobbs just lied,and she,believing Dobbs can do no wrong defened Dobbs,saying,he didn't,because I heard it on other news cast. I imediately looked up the US Senate,and imagine this,there was John McCains name on March 29,2007 with a big ole NAY for funding the troops.   Dobbs built his reputation on honesty, and disdain for the Bush administration,but if he keeps showboating these lies,which has increased tramendously over the last year,or so,like this ,and many other issues,you may see his ratings drop. Another thing thats irritating is that when one of his main anylist,mainly Robert Zimmerman, attempts to correct one of these lies Lou cuts him off,so it's got to be intentional              

Bush, Cheney, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Dobbs?

It's time that we stopped listening to and voting for angry, old white men.

They've involved us in two wars so far and are pressing for a third. They've deregulated the economy to the point of bankrupcy. And a lot of them have gotten rich from our suffering.

And all they have to offer is more anger, more distortions and more unfounded charges against anyone who disagrees.

I'm an angry old white man myself and I apologize for all of the damage done to our nation by the other angry, old, white men

Hi WK, obviously not all angry old white men are created equal. You are a righteous guy. Thank you for being angry for the right reasons. :-)

I second that.  WK is a guy with his head screwed on straight, unlike the stupid old white guys that send others off to die for their web of vain glory and greed.  And their not even white:  they're just pink bastids.

The above is a cartoon for Lou Dobbs...

Worrierking:

Didn't see ya at th' meetin' las week.  Us angry, old, white guys wuz makin' signs n' everthing.  I heartily agree with juliajayne: you are a righteous guy.  Stay as angry as you want!

On thing that I have always considered is that as Barak Obama gets closer to winning, the more the right wing pundits, and MSM, get nervous about the prospect of paying higher taxes, no longer having automatic access to power, and finally being held accountable for what they say and write.  So, its probably no suprise that they start attacking Barak Obama, its in their own best greedy interest.

Don't look now, but the W. Bush administration has now adopted the Obama position concerning a timeline for withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq. Even if the mainsteam media will not tell you this. But the Iraqi leadership knows a timeline when it sees one.